Sweet, David R., “Introduction to the Greater Hippias,” The Roots of Political Philosophy: Ten Forgotten Socratic Dialogues, ed. Thomas L. Pangle, Ithaca. In the Greater Hippias, Plato’s Socrates questions — “in order to see who is wise and who is not” (Apology 23b) — the Sophist Hippias of Elis. The Hippias Major The Hippias Major, Attributed to Plato. With Introductory Essay and Commentary by Dorothy Tarrant, M.A. + Cambridge.

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Socrates is in prison, sentenced to die when the sun sets. My worthy Socrates, he says, don’t give answers of that kind, and in that way — they nippias silly, easily torn to rags — but consider this suggestion. Shall we state it so, and do you agree?

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All or most of “the great figures of the past who are famous for their wisdom — Pittacus and Bias and the school of Thales of Miletus”, as well as more recently Anaxagoras, “made a habit of taking no active part in politics” cand never “saw fit to charge money for [their] wisdom, or to give demonstrations of it to miscellaneous audiences” c-d. The Apology not a dialogueCritoEuthyphroand the unforgettable Phaedo relate the trial and death of Socrates and propound the immortality of the soul.

Introduction to the Topics of Greater Hippias The contrast between the Sophists and the Philosophers of old If the laws of a state are more harmful than beneficial to its peoplethen are they the laws at all?

But that refutation, like the whole of Plato’s Greater Hippiastreats the word ‘beauty’ as if it were the name of “a real existent thing” — and the dialog’s trying to discover what that thing is, is a quest that can never be completed. Is the fellow some sort of master of yours, and if he does gdeater, will he not be arrested and have to pay for it?


For that reason, then, since you ask me, I do not often hiippias to this neighborhood. So I have often gone as envoy to other states, but most often and concerning the most numerous and important matters gteater Lacedaemon.

That is, I know because I know how we use the word ‘beauty’ — and it isn’t the way Plato presumes that we do. He goes on to state that amongst other recent works, P.

No, by dog, Hippias — not past the man before whom I should be most ashamed of talking nonsense and pretending that I was talking sense when I was not. Do you think that possible after our discussion?

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The authorship greatef Hippias Major has been in dispute. Come now, can you tell me what beauty is? For the most part he talks to me something after this fashion [i.

Well, I do prefer. The Spartans were like the blockheaded Athenian youth Aristophanes says Aeschylus’ plays fostered: But say your say, if you prefer it.

What is both beautiful and most precious is the ability to produce an eloquent and beautiful speech to a law court or a council meeting or any other official body whom you are addressing, to convince your audience, and to depart with the greatest of all prizes, your own salvation and that grater your friends and property.

Plato, of course, does not imagine that he his trying to define a mere word, but that he is instead trying define the thing named by the word ‘beauty’.

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If we are both just men, is not each of us individually just? By being too attached to the law and refusing the services of Hippias, the Spartans contradict the aim of their own laws and thus therefore could be considered hippias being unlawful.


The ostensible subject of the dialogue is The Beautiful, which Socrates asks Hippias to define. It is made, I think, with a view to benefit, but sometimes it does positive harm if it is ill made.

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Are these, the many, those who know the truth? If he does know, he can explain what he knows to Socrates. But tell me, as in the beginning: Then it looks as if beauty is hiopias beneficial If then the pleasant which comes by sight and hearing is beautiful, is it not obvious that any pleasant thing outside that category could not be beautiful?

However, Socrates emphasized, the law is precisely made for use and happiness of the citizens, two things to which Hippias would have been greatly able to contribute. In my opinion, that which causes things to appear beautiful.

Well, then, is it not hipppias that those who make the law make it as the greatest good to the state, and that without this it is impossible to enjoy good government? In the Phaedrus Plato himself imitates the style of Lysias so closely that the discourse on the lover Polls How much would you be willing to spend on a Classical Wisdom Membership?

What could be a better way to pass the time between now and the sunset?